[Updated] Hoping this doesn’t turn into “Young v. Board of Education”

by Maria on June 2, 2010

in News & Politics,The Bella

Last night, as Bella played in her own little imaginary world with her sister at the foot of my bed, I overheard her singing God is great, God is good, let us thank him for our food.Where did you learn that?” I asked her. “At school,” she replied nonchalantly, “we do it every day before we go to lunch.” A couple of questions later and I’m informed – with only one week of this school year left – that her teachers have lead her class in that prayer every single day since the very beginning.

I was floored – I had no idea this was happening. I didn’t know what to do, what to say. I couldn’t believe it – her teacher is a good friend of mine, and we’ve discussed my Atheism and the fact that religion is not present in my home before. My plan is to discuss various religions and deities with my children when I believe they are old enough to form their own opinions and follow their own paths, whatever those are. The small talks we’ve had regarding God in the past were brief and diplomatic. Bella has no idea that I’m an Atheist or what it means, just like she doesn’t know anything about Christianity or Buddhism or anything else.

This morning I went to the school. I looked for Bella’s teacher, but there was a substitute for the first half of the day. The principal, noticing that I obviously was upset (but not over this: my mom accidentally hit Ari with the back door just before we’d left home and I needed to get her to her pediatrician immediately because she had a bloody mouth and loose tooth), called me into her office. I explained to her what I had found out and that I couldn’t believe that it was happening in a public school. I told her that I was an Atheist and didn’t approve of anyone even mentioning religion to my child when she was at school, or overstepping their bounds as an instructor. She nodded at me, not saying anything until I was finished. She then wrote my name on a piece of paper and said that she’d speak with my daughter’s teacher. I was not convinced – Bella has 2$ stolen from her a few weeks ago and the principal did nothing about it, but did the same patronizing nodding.

On my way out I ran into my daughter’s teacher’s assistant (TA). I told her what I’d discovered, and that I’d talked to the principal about it, and also that my intentions were not to get anyone in trouble. She didn’t say much (I didn’t expect her to, her being a preacher’s wife), other than that she needed to clock in for the day, and I went about rushing to get Ari to the doctor. The TA called back to me as I approached the parking lot: “We’ll just have her step out when we do it.” With all that was on my mind, that statement didn’t hit me until I was already in the car.

I called Bella’s teacher’s cellphone and left her a message – I wanted to prepare her for anything she walked into that day, just in case the principal did take this seriously and talk to her. In the afternoon, I picked Bella up from school and spoke with her teacher, who was more than understanding and contrite, as I hoped and expected her to be. It usually wasn’t her that led the children in prayer – most of the time she wasn’t even in the classroom when they were preparing and leaving for their lunch period. She informed me that it was common in the school and that many of the other teachers led their students in prayer as well, and it was something that was going on before she started teaching there.  She wasn’t aware that it was unconstitutional/illegal in our state as it was so common. The principal had said nothing to her.

I thanked her for being understanding, and I told her that while I wasn’t going to let this go, I didn’t want it to negatively affect her. I looked for the principal as I was leaving, but didn’t find her. The TA, who was standing outside the school saw me but didn’t make eye contact with me, and I didn’t approach her. I was pretty pissed off – it wouldn’t have done much good for me to talk to her. When I got home, I called the Superintendent of the school district and left a message with his assistant.

Bella was made to stand in the hallway alone outside of her classroom while they prayed today. And I am livid.  She was ostracized because of the  illegal actions of an adult. My daughter was punished because someone infringed upon her constitutional rights, and she has no idea why. I need to explain this to her, but I don’t have any idea where to start.

I want to say that I cannot believe I am having to deal with this. I want to say that I’m surprised that this is quietly accepted. I’m not. It doesn’t surprise me one bit. This is a small town in North Carolina; what else would I expect?

These teachers at this school are indeed overstepping their bounds. Their jobs are to teach children to read, write and count, not to praise a God they might not have any knowledge or understanding of. It’s easy to say “well if Bella doesn’t want to say it, tell her she doesn’t have to” but that’s unfair. What is she supposed to do? She’s six years old, and so are her classmates – of course they are going to do what they told. The prayer is little more than a poem to them, and they have no reason to believe that they are allowed to refuse a teacher’s instructions. I feel like these children are being coerced and indoctrinated by making this small prayer a part of their daily routine. On top of that, to make a child – a child whose parent was willing to stand up and say “dude this is SO not okay!” – stand outside; to make it obvious that she is different, her family is different, that something is “off” about her in front of her peers… that is even more not okay. I will not stand back and let this slide.  I cannot.

What do I want? I want the teachers at my daughter’s elementary school – the entire school district, actually – formally reminded that prayer in schools is illegal and unconstitutional, and will not be tolerated. I want to ensure that the next time something like this happens the culprit will  face a serious reprimand. I don’t want anyone to lose their job over this – not yet at least. It depends on how this is handled.

We’ll see.

Update {06.03.10}:

It’s a bit before 1pm here and I just returned home from the school district’s administrative office, where I spoke with a very helpful, very nice administrator there. First though, I should say that I went to my daughter’s school for lunch and they did not say prayer today in her classroom. I spoke with her teacher who told me that the principal finally contacted her about it last night, informing her that I had taken it to a higher level (meaning to the superintendent), and that the media was getting involved (thanks, Twitter!). Today, the teacher apologized to Bella and I and made sure that Bella knew she still loved her and I assured her that I in no way wanted to cost her her job over this and if anyone was reprimanded, it should have been the principal. I definitely won’t sit back and let all of the blame fall on her, because I believe that the principal has been turning a blind eye to this sort of unconstitutional behavior for a long time.

Had the principal left her office at 7:45am yesterday morning after I’d spoken with her, and headed right into my daughters class to inform them that this was not supposed to be happening, Bella would never had been placed outside of the classroom. Instead, she didn’t. She didn’t even do it when the school day was over – from what I understand, she didn’t do anything at all until her bosses called her about it. Unacceptable.

I also spoke with the TA, who apologized and told me that she was also unaware that it wasn’t allowed, since it was common practice in the classrooms the entire 18 years she’s been working there. I believe her, most definitely, as my 13 year old sister told me last night that when she attended the elementary school my Bella now attends, she was made to say the same “blessing” before lunch daily as well. The TA told me that she only put Bella outside because she thought I didn’t want her to participate, and thought that to be a solution that wouldn’t disrupt the other children’s days, and if she’d known that it wasn’t allowed they just wouldn’t have done it. Again, to me, it shows a lack of action on the principal’s part. If she’d just done her job, with haste, this could have been over as soon as it started.

I never received a reply from the superintendent’s office, which bothered me mainly because their public relations department took the time to contact those who emailed and called them after learning of this situation. So…they have time to respond to them, but not to me? Alright. So I went to the district offices.

The woman I spoke with had caught wind of this situation already. She told me that she knew about it, and that she knew the PR guy had been fielding phone calls and emails over it all morning. She took notes, she asked questions, she – unlike my daughter’s principal – made me feel like she was not only taking me seriously, but that she cared. She told me that she understood why I was upset and that she’d speak to the superintendent this afternoon and suspected that he’d have a very “strong conversation” with my daughter’s principal. I informed her that I was completely satisfied with the efforts the teachers had made to set this right by refraining from prayer and also apologizing, but not with the principal. I told her that because this was bigger than just my daughter’s classroom and potentially something that many students were being subjected to, I hoped that something would happen to remind the teachers and instructors that prayer in schools will not be tolerated. I should be hearing from her this afternoon sometime, after she’s spoken with both the principal and the superintendent.

So, that’s where I’m at now. I still maintain that I don’t want anyone to lose their job over this – things are rough out there, and I don’t believe anyone meant my child or me any harm. But, I do think that some sort of announcement or something should happen to ensure that this doesn’t happen again, and that the principal did not handle this correctly at all.

Update #2 {06.03.10}:

I spoke with the Assistant Superintendent of the school district a short while ago. He told me that they’d completed their investigation: he’d met personally with the principal and teachers, issued letters of warning, and scheduled a school wide staff meeting for this afternoon so that all teachers would be reminded/informed of the policies and laws against prayer in schools. He apologized to me, thanked me for bringing it to the school board’s attention and being proactive, and also assured me that this would not happen again. I am satisfied with this resolution, and I’m very happy with the way that my county’s school administration board dealt with this problem: quickly and efficiently. So, barring any unforeseen circumstances, or anyone treating Bella differently, etc – I’m declaring victory!

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1 Avitable June 2, 2010 at 6:33 pm

The teachers have no leg to stand on if they are leading the children in prayer. If kids who are there want to pray on their own, or even aloud, that’s their right, but to ostracize Bella in this way is unconscionable.
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2 melissa

June 2, 2010 at 6:37 pm

i thought god wasn’t allowed in public school.
i’d be pissed.

3 katie | motherbumper June 2, 2010 at 6:53 pm

The law is the law. It would make me wonder what other ones they are breaking and that’s not something you want to be wondering about when it comes to a child’s school.
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4 Diana Lee June 2, 2010 at 7:06 pm

You’re certainly not asking too much. I hope it all works out the way it should. The idea of sending your daughter into the hallway so she can keep violating the Constitutional rights of the kids in that class is incredibly appalling.

5 Hockeymandad June 2, 2010 at 7:06 pm

This is outrageous. The laws are fairly clear about this subject regardless of state. How they decided to immediately handle it was even more outrageous. It is unfathomable to me that the first thing they decide to do is alienate a 6 year old instead of just not saying the stupid prayer. I strongly hope this is handled properly and appropriately to uphold the constitution of this country and the respect of the people its designed to protect. If it goes any farther, my butt firmly sits on the Young side of this case.
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6 David

June 2, 2010 at 7:20 pm

I live in Wake County, NC and I am outraged by this as well. Thank you for bringing it up, and for writing about it so well. This is entirely unacceptable behavior, and the principal knew it/knows it.

I will follow this story closely (through you and @QueenOfSpain) and keep a close eye on Wake COunty Schools too!
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7 Jamie

June 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm

Unreal. As an atheist I am outraged for you. As a teacher (in TEXAS of all places) I cannot imagine this being allowed!

(PS – This is my first visit to your blog, I followed a link from Twitter. I am definitely subscribing!)

8 Jessica

June 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm

I too live in a small town in NC, and while I would almost expect the same thing to be going on, it isn’t. Perhaps we are too close to the very liberal Chapel Hill area, and most of our teachers graduated from the very liberal local university. Not sure, but I do know that my son’s school doesn’t even allow holiday parties of any kind, so worried are they about stepping on toes and adhering to laws. I would be just as concerned as you if I found out something of that nature was happening in my kid’s school. I think you should absolutely insist your child is not forced into standing in the hallway. The TA (I assume it’s her encouraging the prayer) needs to be told what she is doing is unconstitutional and cannot be tolerated in a public school. Perhaps a christian private school is more her thing?

9 Margaret

June 2, 2010 at 7:25 pm

Wow. You would think in 2010 that this couldn’t happen. I’m appalled that the solution was to banish your daughter to the hallway while the rest of the kids prayed. And that the school didn’t get right on this once you brought it up?

My son is also a Kindergartner. He’s in a pullout program for gifted students and was going to do a dinosaur excavation project. His classroom teacher nixed it though because “it would offend the students whose religious beliefs indicate that the earth is only 6,000 years old.” Hub and I are agnostic. When we brought it to the Principal’s attention while meeting w/ him & the teacher, he said this was not school or district policy and it hasn’t been an issue again, but the teacher in charge of the program has also avoided any further dinosaur projects. I’m keeping an eagle-eye on the daily goings on in there, as much as I can.

I’m very interested in hearing how this plays out. And I must say, I admire your ability to keep your cool, because I don’t know that I’d have been able to.
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10 Miss Britt June 2, 2010 at 7:31 pm

For the record, I’m a Christian – and every thing about this makes me so angry. SO angry. Especially the part about putting Bella in the hall.

Illegal in your state hell – that’s illegal anywhere in the freaking country!
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11 Bill June 2, 2010 at 7:32 pm

Get ‘em fired.

That may sound harsh at first, but you said yourself that the TA had “no idea” that it was illegal for teachers to lead prayers in public schools.

How could the TA, as a supposedly professional public school teacher, NOT know something so basic? Do you really want people like these teaching your kids anything?

Get ‘em fired.

12 Deb

June 2, 2010 at 7:43 pm

That is outrageous. We have a different system here, and ‘religious instruction’ is allowed in schools at the discretion of the Principal. In other words they can do anything, I’ve supervised classes that were told they would go to hell if they didn’t love Jesus. Currently kids whose parents opt out get to do colouring in instead. I’ve found an ethics curriculum and am just about to start pushing to be allowed to teach that as an option.
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13 Cate June 2, 2010 at 7:56 pm

Wow. Seriously?? I can’t even imagine!

Honestly, I would tell the principal/teacher/TA/whoever, that if the prayer didn’t stop–and that doesn’t mean just making your daughter leave the room–that I would sue them so fast their heads would spin. No prayer of any kind should be in public schools!
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14 Al_Pal

June 2, 2010 at 7:59 pm

OMG. That is some scary stuff!
Wow. It is SO not up to public schools to teach religion! Eeep!
I’ll be cheering for you. Yipes.
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15 April June 2, 2010 at 8:02 pm

I’m so friggin’ pissed FOR you. And the nodding and smiling makes me crazy mad!
She should NOT be made to stand out in the hall to exercise her constitutional rights.
Please keep us posted.

16 Erin W. / Beatnik Momma

June 2, 2010 at 8:13 pm

I would be HORRIFIED if this happened at my daughter’s school. Gracie is entering Kindergarten next year and to be quite honest, I’m a little scared of it anyway! She has already come home with new, questionable phrases and gestures from her Pre-K class that she’s learned from fellow classmates, and while I realize that there is no way of preventing that I am still worried that she’s going to gain assumptions about religion from her classmates when I’d really rather introduce the subject myself. And if she were to learn it from a teacher or other adult employed by the school district? I can’t even fathom the kind of response that I’d have to that, but I know it would be BAAAAAD.
Please keep us updated as to what’s going on and let us know if you need any outside pressure put on the school district.
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17 Dawn June 2, 2010 at 8:14 pm

The ACLU is probably bored and would love this. They forced our school to stop having Baccalaureate a decade ago – even though it was an optional part of graduation week.

18 Bon June 2, 2010 at 8:39 pm

wow. i’m not entirely surprised, either, but still. wow.

i have less problem with the individuals actually leading it than with the sanction of it by the decision to pull your child. you’re right, the message it sends is “this child’s family is different.” and to kids at that age, if religion is presented as part of The Good, different equals Bad. or at least, uncomfortable.

when i was in grade 1, some 30+ yrs ago in Canada, we had a Grade One teacher who was older than god himself and who had us say the Lord’s Prayer every morning (shortly after, this was made illegal in Canada. if it wasn’t already.) i still remember the kid who sat quietly through it. the teacher explained that his family didn’t believe in god. i remember being horrified and bewildered, even though my own family wasn’t especially religious. it was an Othering of the highest degree.

you are right not to let them do that to your daughter.
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19 Heather June 2, 2010 at 8:46 pm

My best friend attended a Catholic private school from Kindergarten to 8th grade. She doesn’t remember one single prayer or catechism lesson. So I don’t think you need to be worried that your daughter is being indoctrinated. Like you said, it’s little more than a poem to those kids. I don’t think it rises to the level of indoctrination. Though, obviously, it should not be occurring.

If I were in your shoes I think I would tell the teachers to include my child and then I’d work behind the scenes to get it stopped. I don’t think she’s being harmed by the little prayer. So why not have her play along so she’s not ostracized while you try to get the situation resolved?

20 Addy June 2, 2010 at 9:08 pm

Even as a Christian, this upsets me.

Send the message that this isn’t okay and it won’t be. This has probably been going on for a long time because no one thought they could change it.

As Ghandi said, “Be the change you want to see in the world” or more specifically in Bella’s classroom.

21 Kelly, The Glass Dragonfly June 2, 2010 at 9:15 pm

I’m livid! What they are doing is NOT okay!!
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22 KBO June 2, 2010 at 9:25 pm

100% illegal. If you don’t get results from the principal, you go to the school board. If their legal team doesn’t advise them that this is illegal, bring about a lawsuit via the ACLU. They need to know that this is unconstitutional. I’m going to puke now.
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23 Tara R. June 2, 2010 at 9:32 pm

I’m still pissed about this, and I have conversations with God all the time. It’s just not right to single out Bella like that, and totally unsatisfactory to be forcing the kids to pray in the first place. Keep pursuing this. At the very least, Bella deserves an apology from the teacher.

24 Miss June 2, 2010 at 9:33 pm

I strongly feel the principal is a large part of this problem. It seems that if Bella’s teacher said that other teachers do it, the principal is probably encouraging it and at the same time, turning a blind eye. That is a problem. I honestly think this should get as big as it can because this shouldn’t be happening in ANY public school, nor should anyone with kids in public school have to worry about this.

Go girl. We’re behind you on this one for sure.
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25 Kristin June 2, 2010 at 9:34 pm

Good for you for standing up for Bella. I’d consider going to the media with this. Nothing gets a response from schools as quickly as negative publicity.
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